FBC setup problem - No signal

addams

Vu+ Newbie
Hi guys,

I'm trying to setup my solo4k with a lnb Unicable model IDLP-40UNIQDL+S connected to one satelite.

I use the little splitter that comes with the lnb, and connect two cables on the stb, tuner A and B (dvd-s2 fbc)

Here's is my configuration.
TunerA
tunerA.jpg

TunerB
tunerB.jpg



And don't know whats is wrong. I already try to connected the cable directly to one tuner.. Without success.
only the lnb legacy output works.

Any ideas ?

regards
Addams
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
Why do you use a splitter if you got either a SCR LNB and a FBC tuner? It's a nonsense.

Use only one tuner, that's A. Configure it
LNB1
SCR1
Connected: NO

Then
Tuner C
LNB1
SCR2
Connected to A

Tuner D
LNB1
SCR3
Connected to A (or C)

Tuner E
LNB1
SCR4
Connected to A (or C or D)

and so on if your SCR has got more than 4 channels.
 

addams

Vu+ Newbie
Shame on me. I pluged the cables on the dvb-s2 (non-fbc) tuner ..

I get it worked on the right tuner. but I still have a signal problem. He only get 35-60 quality range against 100% when I plug on the legacy port on the lnb

Maybe a lnb problem.. or the vu+..
 

Tururu

BH Lover
Using the splitter with this unicable LNB is nonsense, it only has 4 SCR+1Legacy
I understand that in the Slot you have a normal tuner with a single/double DVB.S2 tuner.
As the partner indicates, Connected to the mouth of Tuner A and then tuners C, D, E.

The information I found indicates, LNB 4SCR+1Legacy + terrestrial (1 satellite and terrestrial mixer).
See if that may be the cause of the low signal level you have.

These mix terrestrial up to 950Mhz and for that reason the communication of the SCR can have many losses.

To get the juice to the receiver, look for one of 8SCR+2Legacy, they are very cheap, not even 55€ and it is already very good, if you find it, in this the tuner B connected to the tuner A.
Then each tuner with a different SCR and those of Tuner B (including FGH), connected to tuner A to have a signal using the internal spiltter that the receiver has (all FBC tuners have it).
In Spanish for me.
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Usar el divisor con este LNB unicable es tonteria, solo tiene 4 SCR+1Legacy
Entiendo que en el Slot tienes un tuner normal con un tuner DVB.S2 sencillo/doble.
Como indica el compañero, Conectado a la boca del Tuner A y luego los tuner C,D,E.

La informacion que encontre indica, LNB 4SCR +1Legacy + terrestre (1mezclador de satlite y terrestre).
Mira si esa puede ser la causa del nivel de señal bajo que tienes.

Estos mezclan terrestre hasta 950Mhz y por eso la comunicacion de los SCR puede tener muchas perdidas.

Para sacar tudo el jugo al receptor, busca uno de 8SCR +2Legacy, son muy baratos, ni 55€ y ya queda muy bien, si lo encunetras, en este el tuner B conectado al tuner A.
Luego cada tuner con un SCR distinto y los del Tuner B ( incluidos FGH), conectados al tuner A para tener señal usando el spiltter interno que tiene el receptor (todos los tuner FBC lo tienen).
En español para mi.
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
Shame on me. I pluged the cables on the dvb-s2 (non-fbc) tuner ..

I get it worked on the right tuner. but I still have a signal problem. He only get 35-60 quality range against 100% when I plug on the legacy port on the lnb

Maybe a lnb problem.. or the vu+..

The signal values showed by a STB have no meaning: STBs are not measurement devices.
What matters is: can you watch those channels or not? Can you watch them either when the weather is good or when it's not so good? Obviously, when there are storms, a normal sized dish will loose the signal anyway.

And I also have another doubt: what VU+ do you have? Solo4K, as far as I know, does not have both types of DVB tuners; Ultimo4K has...
But this is not important for what I already said: you have SCR and FBC ;)
 

Tururu

BH Lover
...
And I also have another doubt: what VU+ do you have? Solo4K, as far as I know, does not have both types of DVB tuners; Ultimo4K has...

VU+Solo4K It has a slot to install an extra tuner/VU+Solo4K tiene un slot para instalar un tuner extra.
It has 2 possible options, satellite and terrestrial/cable/Tiene 2 opciones posibles, satelite y terrestre/cable.
DVB-T2/DVB-C single/Twin (you have it installed according to the signature).
Satellite, DVB-S2 single/Twin

VU+Solo4K.png

PD: They also support LNB unicable (Satellite, DVB-S2 Twin) ok 100%.
 
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Tururu

BH Lover
.....
I use the little splitter that comes with the lnb, and connect two cables on the stb, tuner A and B (dvd-s2 fbc)
TunerB

Any ideas ?
Use the splitter/loop that has the VU+Solo4K and pass the signal from tuner A, to tuner B, you have less losses.
The management/use of the tuners when you want to watch/record several channels can make you use the CDE tuner before the B tuner.
In Spanish for me.
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Usa el splitter/loop que tiene el VU+Solo4K y pasar la señal del tuner A, al tuner B, tiene menos perdidas.
La gestion/uso de los tuner cuando quieres ver/grabar varios canales puede hacer que use el tuner CDE antes que el tuner B.
 

addams

Vu+ Newbie
Hi guys. Thanks for your replies (Tururu gracias).

*I bought used equipments

The unicable LNB is a old one (unicable 1). Maybe limited to get it works, you recommend to buy a new one Tururu?

In attachment, my actual configuration, with the splitter that send two cables for each port on fbc tuners.
IMG-20191027-160808.jpg

fbc.jpg



Why can not I record up to 8 transponders?
I only can record on the same transponder and my need is to record an average de 6-7 channels simulaneous.

regards
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
Why can not I record up to 8 transponders?
I only can record on the same transponder and my need is to record an average de 6-7 channels simulaneous.

regards

You haven't replied to my post#2: have you configured your tuners according to that post? Your initial setup, from post#1, is wrong.
Please, before asking new questions, answer the old ones.
 

addams

Vu+ Newbie
Why do you use a splitter if you got either a SCR LNB and a FBC tuner? It's a nonsense.

Use only one tuner, that's A. Configure it
LNB1
SCR1
Connected: NO

Then
Tuner C
LNB1
SCR2
Connected to A

Tuner D
LNB1
SCR3
Connected to A (or C)

Tuner E
LNB1
SCR4
Connected to A (or C or D)

and so on if your SCR has got more than 4 channels.

Hi Alexwilmac,

You mean, connect directly the cable from my lnb unicable (without use the splitter) to the port A of the FCB tuner and set this configuration ?

I will try tonight
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
As newgolfer said, YES ;) And, ALSO, configure your TUNER correctly! Your configuration is wrong: have you read any lines of the configuration of a Unicable with FBC tuners?
I wrote a long post there, probably for nothing, it seems.
A,C,D,E must configured as I wrote. The splitter problem is secondary, although it is surely completely useless in your box. But even if you pull off the splitter, if you don't configure FBC-Unicable properly, it would be in vane.
 

addams

Vu+ Newbie
As newgolfer said, YES ;) And, ALSO, configure your TUNER correctly! Your configuration is wrong: have you read any lines of the configuration of a Unicable with FBC tuners?
I wrote a long post there, probably for nothing, it seems.
A,C,D,E must configured as I wrote. The splitter problem is secondary, although it is surely completely useless in your box. But even if you pull off the splitter, if you don't configure FBC-Unicable properly, it would be in vane.

Hi,

I just set the configuration like said (the cable from lnb directly connect on port A of the fbc tuner). Just a detail, I cannot connect to a tuner after they even connected already (C to A), so the D connect to the C, and the E to the D.

I get 60% of SNR and around 20% of AGR. The weather is good. whatever, I don't get signal problems. the channels run perfectly.

My problem is to open a channel on a different transponder. It stops the channel already opened.

p.s. Alexwilmac, can you give me the url of your post ? im interested

regards
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
Yes: you configured the FBC wrongly. I don't how I have to tell you. You did not read the DETAILED configuration I wrote there.
And, as you did not read it, you did not notice the differences to yours.
And that's all.
 

addams

Vu+ Newbie
Yes: you configured the FBC wrongly. I don't how I have to tell you. You did not read the DETAILED configuration I wrote there.
And, as you did not read it, you did not notice the differences to yours.
And that's all.

I did it. Like said on the #14 post.

My actual configuration :

Only one tuner used ( A) configured like this :
LNB1
SCR1
Connected: NO

Tuner C
LNB1
SCR2
Connected to A

Tuner D
LNB1
SCR3
Connected to C

Tuner E
LNB1
SCR4
Connected to D

I get 60% of SNR and around 20% of AGR. The weather is good. whatever, I don't get signal problems. the channels run perfectly.
My problem is to open a channel on a different transponder. It stops the channel already opened.
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
Now it's right.
1) The signal thing does not mean anything: as written many many times, STBs are not signal meters and their values mean almost nothing. What counts is: can you watch the channels or not?
2) About watch/record/stream multiple channels, I hope you are talking about FTA channels, not some decrypted by a C.I. module, aren't you? Otherwise you'll never be able to do that, Unicable or not. You'd need very expensive Professional C.I. smartcam modules to descramble multiple channels with the same encryption. This is very well known.
 

Tururu

BH Lover
Shame on me. I pluged the cables on the dvb-s2 (non-fbc) tuner ..
I get it worked on the right tuner. but I still have a signal problem. He only get 35-60 quality range against 100% when I plug on the legacy port on the lnb
Maybe a lnb problem.. or the vu+..
The photo you put has no normal tuner, only the FBC tuners.
Mouth / tuner A + (CDE).
Mouth / tuner B + (FGH).

2 years ago I sold the VU+Solo4K, but those levels do not remember them normal.
Did you turn the LNB? contrapolated? facing the antenna, on the 7 the connection cable and then looking at signal/SNR and warm/AGC leave at the intermediate point.
In general the levels are similar, both for a normal LNB, as for a unicable LNB, the Inverto LNB that you have, I never bought it, it seems expensive, I have the OPTICUM brand, it is what I can comment, both for 4SCR, as for 8SCR, with 2-3 legacy outputs and another 24SCR from Megasat compared to normal LNB's (I have invented Black Ultra 0.2'B single/twin).
Since you only have 4SCRs, I would connect the direct cable to the mouth A and configure the tuners C, D, E.
It depends on the image and version that you can configure the tuners in one way or another.
Even using the same unicable.xml file.
As you have it now, I had it in 2016, A<--C<--D<--E, but when updating the image, it allows you to directly configure the CDE tuners connected to tuner A, of course, each with its SCR .
I hope to be in error, the unicable LNB cable seems of worse quality than the one used to connect the splitter, it looks like a RG6/RG59 of the most normal and finest, these have many many losses.
I do not say it for the color, I say it for the diameter, I have Bieffe of all the colors of lost losses.
If it is a mistake, confirm.


Have a VU+Solo4K with 4+4= 8tuners in total and only use 50% of the equipment ....
If you use the screen divided into 4 (one will always go black, it is a limitation of the VU+Solo4K hardware recognized by VU+).
In Spanish for me.
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La foto que pones no tiene ningun sintinzador normal, solo los tuner FBC.
Boca/tuner A+ (CDE).
Boca/tuner B+ (FGH).

Hace 2 años que vendi el VU+Solo4K, pero esos niveles no los recuerdo normales.
Realizaste el giro del LNB ? contrapolado? mirando de frente la antena, sobre la 7 el cable de conexion y luego mirando señal/SNR y calida/AGC dejar en el punto intermedio.
En general los niveles son similares, tanto para un LNB normal, como para un LNB unicable, el LNB Inverto que tienes, nunca lo compre, me parece caro, tengo los de la marca OPTICUM, es lo que puedo comentar, tanto para 4SCR, para 8SCR, con 2-3 salidas legacy y otro de 24SCR de Megasat comparando con LNB's normales (tengo inverto Black Ultra 0'2dB sencillo/doble).
Como solo tienes 4 SCR, Conectaria el cable directo a la boca A y configuraria los tuner C,D,E.
Depende de la imagen y la version que puedas configurar los sintonizadores de una forma u otra.
Incluso usando el mismo fichero unicable.xml.
Como lo tienes ahora, lo tenia en 2016, A<--C<--D<--E, pero al ir actualizando la imagen, permite configurar directamente los tuner CDE conectados al tuner A, por supuesto, cada uno con su SCR.
Espero estar en un error, el cable del LNB unicable parece de peor calidad que el usado para conectar el splitter, parece un RG6/RG59 de lo mas normal y mas fino, estos tienen muchas muchas perdidas.
No lo digo por el color, lo digo por el diametro, tengo de Bieffe de todos los colores de bajas perdidas.
Si es un error, confirma.


Tener un VU+Solo4K con 4+4=8 tuner en total y solo usar el 50% del equipo....
Si usas la pantalla dividia en 4 (una siempre se quedara negra, es una limitacion del hardware del VU+Solo4K reconocida por VU+).
En español para mi.
 
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