VU + dead...?

I would say that first of all the 4K Vu+ series are still among the absolut best Set-Top-Boxes on the marked.
Reason there is no new Vu+ yet is because of the need to find a good replacement for the Broadcom chip that they have been using.

They need to go through 2 steps before there will be anything better I would say, Instead of new.

Step one they need to move from python 2.7 to python 3.10
Step two they need to find a new chipset to build around

This takes time and look at the competition from other brands.
And you will see that they are no better then Vu+
Yes some of them have made the move to other hardware, But can not say that any of them works better just because of that.

So to buy a 4K series Vu+ is still a good buy.

Then of cause I would say that a Team like Blackhole who have over many years spoile us with 2 amazing images.
With all the work that has been. Have done the most logic solution and put more effort into the OBH image.
That is just common sense.

The Blackhole Image has been the biggest and best image for a decade and are still working just fine.
But now when the OBH image is evolving I see no reason why that image could not be the next big flagship for the next decade

And your current 4K Vu+ will work just fine long after there might be a new generation Vu+

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Venc

Vu+ Newbie
I would say that first of all the 4K Vu+ series are still among the absolut best Set-Top-Boxes on the marked.
Reason there is no new Vu+ yet is because of the need to find a good replacement for the Broadcom chip that they have been using.

They need to go through 2 steps before there will be anything better I would say, Instead of new.

Step one they need to move from python 2.7 to python 3.10
Step two they need to find a new chipset to build around

This takes time and look at the competition from other brands.
And you will see that they are no better then Vu+
Yes some of them have made the move to other hardware, But can not say that any of them works better just because of that.

So to buy a 4K series Vu+ is still a good buy.

Then of cause I would say that a Team like Blackhole who have over many years spoile us with 2 amazing images.
With all the work that has been. Have done the most logic solution and put more effort into the OBH image.
That is just common sense.

The Blackhole Image has been the biggest and best image for a decade and are still working just fine.
But now when the OBH image is evolving I see no reason why that image could not be the next big flagship for the next decade

And your current 4K Vu+ will work just fine long after there might be a new generation Vu+

cu

First of all they should use newer kernels. In best use recent stable kernel and continously upgrade it. I'm deeply disappointed with fact, that I bought expensive box where the kernels and libraries are old as hell. Therefore many modern features are not available and never be. And many peripherals won't work or will work unreliably and with poor performance.
Much cheaper boxes using different silicon have more recent kernels and drivers. So VU+ should change not only the CPU supplier but whole philosophy of development of software for their boxes.
 

AlexWilMac

Moderator
From your words it seems like VU+ boxes live only with VU+ software. Well, it's not so. It'd be like a PC lived and worked only with the shameless windows: but there are real and effective operative systems in the world apart from this ridiculous one.
Luckily enough we VU+ users have no need of VU+ operative system, id est their image: we, in this forum, for instance, have not only the vuplus-based BH but also OBH, OpenBlackHole, and many of us have been using it with huge satisfaction for years.
Many others are moving to OBH in this last period.
So, saying you bought an expensive product like you wasted your money doesn't make any sense.
Nobody, almost, has ever used vuplus original image because too basic; and the many BH users are becoming, day by day, OBH users.
 

Venc

Vu+ Newbie
From your words it seems like VU+ boxes live only with VU+ software. Well, it's not so. It'd be like a PC lived and worked only with the shameless windows: but there are real and effective operative systems in the world apart from this ridiculous one.
Luckily enough we VU+ users have no need of VU+ operative system, id est their image: we, in this forum, for instance, have not only the vuplus-based BH but also OBH, OpenBlackHole, and many of us have been using it with huge satisfaction for years.
Many others are moving to OBH in this last period.
So, saying you bought an expensive product like you wasted your money doesn't make any sense.
Nobody, almost, has ever used vuplus original image because too basic; and the many BH users are becoming, day by day, OBH users.

But the kernel drivers and libraries are closed-source blobs still old as hell. Therefore newer kernel and related software can't be used in any new modern image regardless of community. Only the upper layer i.e. Python(E2) or Ruby or C/C++ utilities are upgraded. The UI/UX may look modern, but underneath are laying deep levels of buggy, unmaintained mud :-/
 

el bandido

Vu+ User
But the kernel drivers and libraries are closed-source blobs still old as hell. Therefore newer kernel and related software can't be used in any new modern image regardless of community. Only the upper layer i.e. Python(E2) or Ruby or C/C++ utilities are upgraded. The UI/UX may look modern, but underneath are laying deep levels of buggy, unmaintained mud :-/

Most Vu+ products are fta receivers. You don't need the latest and greatest kernel to power a fta receiver. The kernel in the fta receiver is a lot smaller than what would normally be installed in Ubuntu or other versions of Linux. But you don't need the latest and greatest kernel to watch tv.

Edision is the only receiver I know of that somewhat follows the kernel. While this is nice, and will possibly help with receiver upgrades in the future, having a recent kernel does not make the tv picture any better or any worse. Any fta receiver that provides constant kernel updates can be a pain in the ass for image builders because kernel patches and perhaps a few other items need to be changed or updated every time the kernel changes.

Most enigma2 fta receivers that are on the market now have a kernel that was released in 2015 or 2016. While it would be nice to see more recent kernel versions, it will not make the tv picture any better or any worse. Older enigma fta receivers may have a 3 or even a 2 kernel version. These receivers still work on the fta channels they were designed to receive. Upgrading the kernel on these old receivers would not help much because their hardware is out of date.
 

Venc

Vu+ Newbie
Most Vu+ products are fta receivers. You don't need the latest and greatest kernel to power a fta receiver. The kernel in the fta receiver is a lot smaller than what would normally be installed in Ubuntu or other versions of Linux. But you don't need the latest and greatest kernel to watch tv.

Edision is the only receiver I know of that somewhat follows the kernel. While this is nice, and will possibly help with receiver upgrades in the future, having a recent kernel does not make the tv picture any better or any worse. Any fta receiver that provides constant kernel updates can be a pain in the ass for image builders because kernel patches and perhaps a few other items need to be changed or updated every time the kernel changes.

Most enigma2 fta receivers that are on the market now have a kernel that was released in 2015 or 2016. While it would be nice to see more recent kernel versions, it will not make the tv picture any better or any worse. Older enigma fta receivers may have a 3 or even a 2 kernel version. These receivers still work on the fta channels they were designed to receive. Upgrading the kernel on these old receivers would not help much because their hardware is out of date.

Hmm, say this to the producers of tablets, mobile phones, top routers and other equipment. Old kernels and libs are full security holes. And todays STBs should be multimedia centers with cloud services for users (therefore working with sensitive data), not only SAT receivers as it was in old times.
 
They are manufactored as Set Top Boxes not as mediaservers. Then you can use most of them as MediaServers in your home network over for example DLNA/UPNP
You do not buy a moped and expect it to performe like 998 Ducati....

But you are very much entitle to your opinion about the need for new hardware and new kernel drivers and so on.
I only say that the Vu+ is as good as any other STB on the marked at the moment based on Enigma2
 

alia

Vu+ Newbie
Hi. And I also express my previous use experience and in-depth reviews with two different brands of stb. Those two brands are dreambox and vu + .
Well, as you know, dreambox company uses its own software and uses the latest things. And vu plus company is known from the beginning for its good build quality. To tell the truth, in the last few years, vuplus has done better in terms of both hardware and facilities, and this is while the kernel is old. But the company has to make major changes because it does not reach the dreambox operating system at all. You would think that dreambox company, with its huge software power, could hardly synchronize amlogic with its software and still has a few bugs. I want to say that vuplus is obsolete and should have a lot of movement ahead, and vuplus is currently only good for viewing simple and ordinary networks, and I prefer to use dreambox devices because of the better performance of the device. And of course stb dreambox devices unfortunately have not had good hardware in these 3 or 4 years and I do not have a good memory of dm9x0. And of course, I had dm one and dm two devices and I was satisfied with them.
If you want better hardware, you have to buy vuplus, and if you want smoother software and better teams, you have to buy a dreambox, and there is currently no device that has all of these. And vuplus only has an oe-alliance that has a warm back to it.
In the hope of further development and competition of these two brands.
 
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