Problem with mount External USB HDD with NTFS

VANT · Apr 13, 2013

as we know

BH 2.0.2 (and before) can't mount external usb HDD with ntfs using device manager.
I set my drive mountpoint to /hdd2 but after restart disc is not mounted

my mount

Code:

[EMAIL]root@vusolo2[/EMAIL]:~# mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,sync,relatime)
devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=285836k,nr_inodes=71459,mode=755)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
tmpfs on /var/volatile type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=755)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=2048k,mode=755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620)
usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,relatime)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=777)
/dev/sdb2 on /universe type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/sdb4 on /media/hdd type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/sda4 on /media/hdd1 type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=1,data=ordered)
automount(pid765) on /autofs type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=4,pgrp=765,timeout=5,minproto=2,maxproto=4,indirect)
nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw,relatime)
[EMAIL]root@vusolo2[/EMAIL]:~#

my df -h

Code:

root@vusolo2:~# df -h
Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
ubi0:rootfs             196.6M     99.0M     97.6M  50% /
devtmpfs                  2.0M    124.0K      1.9M   6% /dev
tmpfs                   279.2M    624.0K    278.6M   0% /var/volatile
udev                      2.0M    124.0K      1.9M   6% /dev
tmpfs                   279.2M         0    279.2M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sdb2                 1.9G     46.9M      1.8G   3% /universe
/dev/sdb4                10.6G    212.1M      9.8G   2% /media/hdd
/dev/sdb1                 1.9G      1.3G    551.7M  70% /media/usb
/dev/sda4               584.3G    426.6G    128.0G  77% /media/hdd1
[EMAIL]root@vusolo2[/EMAIL]:~#

my fstab

Code:

rootfs               /                    auto       defaults              1 1
proc                 /proc                proc       defaults              0 0
devpts               /dev/pts             devpts     mode=0620,gid=5       0 0
usbdevfs             /proc/bus/usb        usbfs      defaults              0 0
tmpfs                /var/volatile        tmpfs      mode=0755             0 0
tmpfs                /dev/shm             tmpfs      mode=0777             0 0
UUID=20227520-07d1-4ae8-b12f-6d96d7ede2a7    /universe    auto   defaults    0  0
UUID=246f5af1-ad3b-4d62-b1bf-9043a0da87b6    /media/hdd    auto   defaults    0  0
UUID=6f3b77f3-45f8-4833-b1d8-3b16ca7ab121    /media/usb    auto   defaults    0  0
UUID=70b644da-e0cc-42b2-9255-7bb5178124da    /media/hdd1    auto   defaults    0  0
UUID=C860DB1160DB055A    /media/hdd2    auto   defaults    0  0

i see mount line but image not mount this device :eek:

device manager after restart (don't look to sdb3 becouse i not mount this)
look to sdc1

i try few times without succes, i rebot many times nothing help.......

BUT.
after i install meoboot and do restart, image mount my external ntfs hdd :eek:

Code:

[EMAIL]root@vusolo2[/EMAIL]:~# df -h
Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
ubi0:rootfs             196.6M     99.0M     97.6M  50% /
devtmpfs                  2.0M    124.0K      1.9M   6% /dev
/dev/sdb1                 1.9G      1.3G    551.7M  70% /media/usb
tmpfs                   279.2M    280.0K    279.0M   0% /var/volatile
udev                      2.0M    124.0K      1.9M   6% /dev
tmpfs                   279.2M         0    279.2M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sdb2                 1.9G     46.9M      1.8G   3% /universe
/dev/sdb4                10.6G    211.2M      9.8G   2% /media/hdd
/dev/sda4               584.3G    426.6G    128.0G  77% /media/hdd1
/dev/sdc1               931.5G    908.5G     23.0G  98% /media/hdd2
[EMAIL]root@vusolo2[/EMAIL]:~#

Code:

root@vusolo2:~# mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,sync,relatime)
devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=285836k,nr_inodes=71459,mode=755)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
tmpfs on /var/volatile type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=755)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=2048k,mode=755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620)
usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,relatime)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=777)
/dev/sdb2 on /universe type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/sdb4 on /media/hdd type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/sda4 on /media/hdd1 type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/sdc1 on /media/hdd2 type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096)
automount(pid1284) on /autofs type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=4,pgrp=1284,timeout=5,minproto=2,maxproto=4,indirect        )
nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw,relatime)
[EMAIL]root@vusolo2[/EMAIL]:~#

My question why image not mount my ntfs drive until i install meoboot ? and can You fix this ?

Onur · Apr 14, 2013

I agree. I have the same problem with BH 2.0.2. I is not a specific ntfs only problem.
It seems to be a bug.
I have an ext3 formatted external 1gb drive.

oldfox · Apr 16, 2013

Hello.
External USB HDD mounted as /media/hdd via the Black Hole Devices Manger. If the power switch off and then turned on, mount of the HDD is not kept. In what may be the reason?
Thank you.

VANT · Apr 16, 2013

@oldfox

bug in image....i hope that will be fixed fast

oldfox · Apr 16, 2013

Let's hope. Thanks. :yes:

angelofsky1980 · Apr 17, 2013

VANT said:
@oldfox

bug in image....i hope that will be fixed fast

I will test it this evening.... but I'm sure that all works correctly with my NTFS disk ....

oldfox · Apr 17, 2013

When the receiver restarts, mount the HDD - 100% success. When full shutdown, mount the HDD - 95% fail. May be, the timeout is not enough? Does HDD not have enough time to be ready after switch-on the receiver?
My HDD - Segate Backup Plus 3Tb.
Thank you.

angelofsky1980 · Apr 17, 2013

I've made a little test with my Passport 500Gb USB3 external HDD (NTFS formatted - I use that for my work).

I will post some screenshots ...
Device Manager BEFORE mounting the USB HDD into /media/card mountpoint

Mount point definition ....

... and then the Device Manager after a full reboot of my Uno box (BH 2.0.2 Rev C)

I will now try to shutdown the box and verify if all works properly

Also with a full shutdown of Uno box. Waited 5 minutes and turned on it.... the USB HDD will be remounted in the same mountpoint as I setted up previously.

For me no bug present.
If you have a big HDD (> 2 Tb) there is in the Board a thread regarding these big disks ... Shiro has answered and guided an user to solve their problems with a 3Tb disk.

oldfox · Apr 18, 2013

I do everything like you.
I have the same HDD My Passport 500Gb. I will try it in the evening.
Thanks for your reply and screenshots.

oldfox · Apr 18, 2013

The experiment has been completed (10 attempts):
with My Passport 500Gb mount of HDD keeps;

with Seagate Backup Plus 3Tb mount of HDD doesn't keep. :sad:

Thanks again for you help.

VANT · Apr 18, 2013

@angelofsky1980
my seagate portable 1TB usb3.0 work ok, only when meoboot installed (sdb1) before on pure image (meo not instaled) after reboot or deep standby disc is not mounted.
what's differences in mounting betwen system with meo and without meo ??

HDD is ok, becouse work ok on all rest image (vu+, vti, and opeli based)

Shiro · Apr 18, 2013

VANT, the mount of your NTFS is too slow or its label is not well defined.
The reason because it works with meoboot is because meoboot delay the bootup and force all the devices to be mounted also after fstab.

Try to substitute in fstab the label of the disc with the device:

Code:

/dev/sdc1    /media/hdd2    auto  defaults    0  0

And yes, NTFS is supported but it is not recommended.
It is always better to use ext4

VANT · Apr 18, 2013

@Shiro
this is the answers what i need to hear

can you delay boot up withput meo installed ??

btw.
this night i test on pure image without meo using this line

Code:

/dev/sdc1    /media/hdd2    auto  defaults    0  0

NickZ · Apr 18, 2013

I use ext4 and to view HDD files directly (not over ftp) on PC I have installed Ext2Fsd-0.50 It is a special Windows driver and GUI. Works fine on Windows8 (64) and lower Windows.

Q: anybody knows how to switch on (off) quickly PiP in BH ?

Shiro · Apr 18, 2013

VANT said:
@Shiro
can you delay boot up withput meo installed ??

No because all users will be penalized with a delay only because someone want to use NTFS on linux.

P.s. if that solution doesn't work:
edit file /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and add at the end (before the line : exit 0) the line:

Code:

mount /dev/sdc1 /media/hdd2

VANT · Apr 18, 2013

@Shiro
now this is not a big problem becouse i have installed meoboot and everything work ok, so i only find that with meo work ok. I think that the delay should be minimal becouse on other images this work, but You have right...it's only one drive model.... I will buy new 2TB hdd and replace my internal 640gb and copy all files to new one drive, and stop use external drive.

earlier (before meoboot revenge) i add mount line to end of rc and also work ok.

Katikakus · Apr 18, 2013

NickZ said:
Q: anybody knows how to switch on (off) quickly PiP in BH ?

Long Blue, Blue

cyborgpunte · Apr 18, 2013

Thanks, solved my issue with 2TB usb w ext3
(but with different device and mountpoint)

Shiro said:
edit file /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and add at the end (before the line : exit 0) the line:

Code:

mount /dev/sdc1 /media/hdd2

oldfox · Apr 19, 2013

Shiro, it works. Thank you for this line.
Can a Black Hole Devices Manger this line to write? If Yes, then this is a victory!

NickZ · Apr 19, 2013

Katikakus said:
Long Blue, Blue

Thanks! Why not to include it in BH user guide?

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