Turbo-Fec modulation

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anis_ber

Vu+ Newbie
Hi,

It's my 2nd post after my presentation
I'm from North America, here the main providers (DISH and BELL) use different modulation called Turbo-Fec (either tubo 8psk or turbo qpsk) especially for HD channels, regular modulation 8psk and qpsk is very inimally used.
So far no tuner of any of Vu+ box is capable of tuning such modulation, nor is any linux box anyway.
I guess there is no way to ask for support with current tuners, but maybe in the future to have a hardware that is turbo-capable.
I'm not sure if it's the right place to post. Do you know if there is a Vu+ official forum?

Thank you
 
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anis_ber

Vu+ Newbie
Thank you for the answer, is there a way to find the contact info/email of the Vu+ engineers since they don't have a board?
I'll wait for angelofsky1980, he must have some connections with them
 
angelofsky1980

angelofsky1980

BlackHole Driver Specialist
anis_ber said:
Thank you for the answer, is there a way to find the contact info/email of the Vu+ engineers since they don't have a board?
I'll wait for angelofsky1980, he must have some connections with them
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There is a very limited support for GenPix USB devices who should tune TurboFEC channels.
As said by @paolino report your request directly to Vu+ via www.vuplus.com website.
 
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anis_ber

Vu+ Newbie
angelofsky1980 said:
There is a very limited support for GenPix USB devices who should tune TurboFEC channels.
As said by @paolino report your request directly to Vu+ via.
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I know about genpix solution, I'm hoping for a innate solution. I emailed them, will see if they respond. I'd appreciate if you could pm me some contact info
Thanks
 
vu_duo

vu_duo

Vu+ Newbie
For anis_ber , which I thought he already knew the answer after so many years in the hobby . now you don`t understand or just trying to sound like that...

For anyone reading this thread. The two providers using the modulation are against third parties selling compatible equipment built for satellite service reception,
which in their view could only be used for illegal activities involving stealing of their sat signal. In North America the rules of DTH are different then the EU market for which the DMM/Vuplus are targeting for. There are no exceptions to this rules - infact the providers are giving away for free in many cases the stb and smartcard to be used only in this combination for viewing sat tv.

While the implementation is possible , it is highly unlikely this will ever happen by DMM/Vuplus or anyone else since this can add liability to the their business
without added benefits.

Hope this answers your question.

P.S. Genpix devices are mostly used for testing free feeds which sometimes appear on various satellites mostly in C band which are free for testing and lawful. You will say that DMM/Vuplus devices can be used for similar activities , but I am quite sure this can trigger lengthy court battles nobody wishes to be part of.
 
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anis_ber

Vu+ Newbie
vu_duo said:
For anis_ber , which I thought he already knew the answer after so many years in the hobby . now you don`t understand or just trying to sound like that...

For anyone reading this thread. The two providers using the modulation are against third parties selling compatible equipment built for satellite service reception,
which in their view could only be used for illegal activities involving stealing of their sat signal. In North America the rules of DTH are different then the EU market for which the DMM/Vuplus are targeting for. There are no exceptions to this rules - infact the providers are giving away for free in many cases the stb and smartcard to be used only in this combination for viewing sat tv.

While the implementation is possible , it is highly unlikely this will ever happen by DMM/Vuplus or anyone else since this can add liability to the their business
without added benefits.

Hope this answers your question.

P.S. Genpix devices are mostly used for testing free feeds which sometimes appear on various satellites mostly in C band which are free for testing and lawful. You will say that DMM/Vuplus devices can be used for similar activities , but I am quite sure this can trigger lengthy court battles nobody wishes to be part of.
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Unfortunately I knew this fact, I just wanted to believe there hope for something else, likely false hopes
You sound like a north american hobbyist :)
 
el bandido

el bandido

Vu+ User
It never hurts to hope for things, but we will not get much support as long as less than a handful of companies control the satellite viewing for North America.
I can understand VU not touching the turbo for Dish and Bell because whoever did it would get sued.

Vu and most other manufacturers will not support us with other legal things like ATSC or a decent blindscan, probably because they figure the return on sales would not match the effort needed to make these things work. However, North American sales will not increase until the support increases.
Also, Vu and the other manufactures would not sell a great many receivers of a particular model or design even if every North American hobbyist made a purchase. We can expect this trend to continue as long as Dish, Bell, and a couple of others have the North American satellite market cornered.

I appreciate all efforts that have been made so far to support the North American hobbyist! EB
 
vu_duo

vu_duo

Vu+ Newbie
One can also try supporting himself - since all the enigma2 code is open sourced...(just saying). Not an easy feat by all means but this is the sole purpose I have bought the linux stb with enigma2 in the first place...

What I would prefer to see from the Vuplus and other manufacturers is more support regarding vbi accesing , better transcoding, more exposed interfaces with published API something which DMM is a pioneer (vtuner is their brainchild) and other options to improve the user experience.
(example all bcm73XX and newer have this unique option called MoCA , which nobody is interested to pick and use...)
 
vu_duo

vu_duo

Vu+ Newbie
Following is the GPL driver for MoCA on broadcom SoC chipset.

Code: 
https://gfiber.googlesource.com/vendor/broadcom/bmoca/+/c3f538a036992b22b4a65d559d3ea58f69e1ea38/bmoca-6802.c

To be enabled it needs to be supported by CFE and an user interface needs to be created for enigma2 with python.

There is not enough information available about this working or not with current Vuplus stbs, but for sure will be an interesting feature everyone will want to try.
 
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anis_ber

Vu+ Newbie
What is this MoCA gonna add in terms of features.
Regarding supporting turbo ourself, unless you are talking about genpix device, I don't think it's possible. No driver can be made if hardware is not compatible
My dream is to have a native solution with plug and play tuner that supports turbo out of box.
I'm also wondering since Chinese market is full of STBs (non Linux) that support turbo, and since they flooded market with DMM and Vu+ clones, why nobody thought about making a tuner turbo-compatible. So many weird things going on that I can't explain
 
angelofsky1980

angelofsky1980

BlackHole Driver Specialist
vu_duo said:
Following is the GPL driver for MoCA on broadcom SoC chipset.

Code: 
https://gfiber.googlesource.com/vendor/broadcom/bmoca/+/c3f538a036992b22b4a65d559d3ea58f69e1ea38/bmoca-6802.c

To be enabled it needs to be supported by CFE and an user interface needs to be created for enigma2 with python.

There is not enough information available about this working or not with current Vuplus stbs, but for sure will be an interesting feature everyone will want to try.
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I'll suggest to open a thread in the Developement Area about this kind of posts.
We are interested :)
 
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