Request Ultimo CAM problem

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
Hello, I am a newbie using VU+ Ultimo with 3 cable tuners installed. Some of the channels in the cable-net need a conaxcard+CAM which I have. Problem is that when I record one of the conax channels it locks up the rest of the conax channels so that I cannot watch them. I suppose it is some setting that needs to be adjusted but I have not found any. I can watch the conax channels one by one. Can you give me some help, please.
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
How have you set the tuners up ?
yes I think so.....at least in the tuner menu they are reported as activated. I dont know if I have to do anything else, and the non conax channels seem to work fine. By the way using BH last version (v1.7.8 I think)
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
How have you set the tuners up ?
I have done some more testing, and it seems to me either Ultimo (BH1.7.8) cannot correctly use the Conax Cam module, or there is some setting somewhere that I cannot find. I am using 3 hybrid-tuners in cable-position.
1. I can watch the Conax channels one by one as long as I am not recording any Conax channel
2. When I am recording a Conax channel I cannot watch any other Conax channel (except for the one I am recording)
This behaviour cannot be correct and I cannot find any cure to fix it, so I really would need some help !
For example if someone who has a Conax module would please check this behaviour, or some of the experts on this forum would please point me in the right direction.
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
I have done some more testing, and it seems to me either Ultimo (BH1.7.8) cannot correctly use the Conax Cam module, or there is some setting somewhere that I cannot find. I am using 3 hybrid-tuners in cable-position.
1. I can watch the Conax channels one by one as long as I am not recording any Conax channel
2. When I am recording a Conax channel I cannot watch any other Conax channel (except for the one I am recording)
This behaviour cannot be correct and I cannot find any cure to fix it, so I really would need some help !
For example if someone who has a Conax module would please check this behaviour, or some of the experts on this forum would please point me in the right direction.
Some more testing indicate that I cannot record more than one channel a time. Trying to record two simultaneously is a no go.....and this goes for all channels, not only Conax, so even though I have 3 tuners it seems I cannot use them......
What have I missed ?
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
What do you see in the CI menu?
In CI menu I see the following:
slot 1
reset , init, Conax Conditional Access
Support for mult. channels =auto
Support for high bitrate =no

Now there seems to have developed more problems. If I record some program (need not be Conax) the box will occasionally lockup completely with the small cirkular symbol rotating in upper left corner. Nothing helps but hard power off. I did a complete factory reset but no help so I do not know what to do next........
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
Can anyone tell me if the Ultimo accepts 3 cable-tuners or must I have a satellite-tuner as A. The manual talks about a satellite-tuner in position A in all examples, but does not tell if this is mandatory........just wonder if this is the root to my problems.
 

angelofsky1980

BlackHole Driver Specialist
Can anyone tell me if the Ultimo accepts 3 cable-tuners or must I have a satellite-tuner as A. The manual talks about a satellite-tuner in position A in all examples, but does not tell if this is mandatory........just wonder if this is the root to my problems.

I think you can mix in any form your tuners included the solution 3 x DVB-S2 and 3 x DVB-T/C but I haven't tested directly these two solutions :(
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
I think you can mix in any form your tuners included the solution 3 x DVB-S2 and 3 x DVB-T/C but I haven't tested directly these two solutions :(
Thank you for your answer. I have the 3 x DVB-T/C installed as cable-tuners and they are reported by the system as active (I assume they are plug-and-play so no jumper need to be set somewhere). Still, there are something funny going on, for example when I switch to a Conax-channel the infobar and the black square (where the channel number is shown) will blink off an on about four times before it settles down. This does not happen when I switch between free channels. I have this strange feeling that only tuner A is working......
To start fresh I did upgrade to BH 1.7.9 (including FPGA update) but I see no change in the behaviour so there must be something beyond my understanding......
 

Ev0

Admin
Are you using 3 cable feeds (1 to each tuner) or have you got them all setup as loop through ?
 

Ev0

Admin
Thats what I thought you would say.

I am not 100% sure (as I don't have any cable tuners to test with), but I expect like with the satellite tuners, when you use loop through, the other tuners are limited to what frequency they can tune, so you can only pick other channels on same or close frequency.
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
Thats what I thought you would say.

I am not 100% sure (as I don't have any cable tuners to test with), but I expect like with the satellite tuners, when you use loop through, the other tuners are limited to what frequency they can tune, so you can only pick other channels on same or close frequency.
Thank you for your answer. I have an old STB with two tuners and loop through antenna, and no problem of this kind so I cannot understand why this would happen in Ultimo. The whole set of cable-channels should be present in the cable going to all tuners even if they are looped through and since the 3 tuner settings in BH is similar I think every tuner should be able to tune the whole band. Since I do not have any satellite reception at present I am not familiar with satellite tuners. I can make separate antenna feeds to each tuner but I do not think there will be any difference.
 

Ev0

Admin
I can make separate antenna feeds to each tuner but I do not think there will be any difference.
Try this, and change the settings so that each tuner is setup independantly (not set to loop through) and see if anything changes.
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
Thank you for your answer. I have an old STB with two tuners and loop through antenna, and no problem of this kind so I cannot understand why this would happen in Ultimo. The whole set of cable-channels should be present in the cable going to all tuners even if they are looped through and since the 3 tuner settings in BH is similar I think every tuner should be able to tune the whole band. Since I do not have any satellite reception at present I am not familiar with satellite tuners. I can make separate antenna feeds to each tuner but I do not think there will be any difference.
Update:
It seems that the upgrade of BH and FPGA did fix some (setting) that I perhaps had got wrong so recording of free channels simultaneously is now possible but, not Conax channels. There the situation is that if I record a Conax channel I can simultaneously watch only the same channel that I am recording, all other Conax channels give blank screen. Same problem as before......
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
Try this, and change the settings so that each tuner is setup independantly (not set to loop through) and see if anything changes.
I cannot find any setting for loop through in DVB-T/C settings list so I guess there is none.
Now the Conax problem I wrote about is really irritating and even my old STB could do better with the same Conax card. Any suggestions ?
 

Ev0

Admin
I have already given you a suggestion.

Split your cable feed and give each tuner it's own feed, make sure they are setup independantly in the tuner setup screen and see if that changes anything.
 

uchrw

Vu+ Newbie
I have already given you a suggestion.

Split your cable feed and give each tuner it's own feed, make sure they are setup independantly in the tuner setup screen and see if that changes anything.
Ok, tested, no change. There is no setting for "independency" in DVB-T/C settings, which suggest that they by default work independently. That also seems to be the case when testing with free channels now (upgrade seems to have fixed something here).
However in the case of Conax it seems that it is only possible to watch and record the same channel simultaneously, and the other Conax channels are closed during the recording session. Now, if this is a bug, a settings problem or some "functionality" of Conax I do not know. There are settings for CI in the menu but since I do not understand them I use the default.
 
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